Melontop
Oct 19 2008, 10:32 PM
What are some things that would of made learning more fun for you in school? Please excude any outside factors, home life, friends, teachers, etc.
FUCK DA KNICKS
Oct 19 2008, 10:51 PM
Weed.
Devo
Oct 19 2008, 11:13 PM
Homework.
Savior Breath
Oct 19 2008, 11:14 PM
information
Nycto
Oct 19 2008, 11:26 PM
a lack of lamans terms. i hate when teachers use lamans terms
JVLN FNGZ
Oct 20 2008, 05:44 AM
Teachers who actually showed the same enthusiasm they expected from their students. Not that they're entirely at fault. It's hard to care when you're underpaid, have stacks of paperwork to do, and you're trying to teach people who don't want to learn.
QUOTE(Nycto @ Oct 20 2008, 05:26 AM)

a lack of lamans terms. i hate when teachers use lamans terms
*Layman's terms.
King Balls
Oct 20 2008, 08:19 AM
Exclusion of the pathetic curriculum and more freedom to learn what you WANT to learn. Plus, more emphasis on trying to make school FUN instead of a concentration camp. That would include not being ridiculously strict with pointless things, like worrying more about our detention being served than the knowledge we're supposed to be learning.
Risk
Oct 20 2008, 09:28 AM
Class discussion.
Melontop
Oct 20 2008, 10:58 AM
Yes, I guess you can call it a survey. All the information that I gather will be used to start a hip-hop forum for the younger crowd. This site will offer a place to learn, tutoring services, beat makers, hang out spots, explain different career options, etc. Most of all their will be positive role models. I have so many ideas for it, and have people that will back it once it is up and running. The thing is the more we push education the less that they want it. I am choosing a more sneaky approach. They will not relize how much they learn until they go to class or what ever. Yes, I had a bad start on this website, but now I am back on track. I can care less if anyone likes me in here. I am not here to make friends. I am here to get information from older hip-hop fans. You know what would of worked for you just like I do. The thing is that the more opinions I get the more people it will suit. There are so many great minds on this site. I am not the enemy of hip-hop. I just feel that the artists are not diverse enough. How many MC's ever tell a kid to pick up a book? I feel that many people doubt me on this sight because of my educational level. I feel that one does not have to be that smart to get a kid to pick up a book. Hate it or love it. I have been called an idealist. I can swaalow that . I do not wish to change the world, just a few lives around me. If I do all this work to get 1 child to have a better life. Than so be it. What I wish to do will not have a price tag on it. This will all be free. That is what makes it so important. If you can not understand what I am doing, well then fine. I know everone wants to act like they do not care about the next man, well how about the kids? My project will take off with or without outside help. Everything I have done in my life I have done by myself. Right now as a grown man, I realize that this is one thing that I need help with. It will only take a couple of seconds to answer my questions. Just remember it is for a good cause. It should not matter how many people that this will help, it is that it will help someone. So go ahead make jokes or whatever you want. Most of all I thik it is time that hip-hop earns respect in everyones eyes. This is one way to start it. If you are so into yorself that you can not understand this, please do not respond. Thank you for any help that I receive. The sooner my questions are answered the sooner I will be out of you guy's hair. Who knows the website may help your children one day. It is not what you know, it is what you do with it. I wish to pass some of what I know on.
:) HIGH
Oct 20 2008, 02:18 PM
^ if I started to read that I'd go blind. Why the fuck wouldn't you break that shit down so someone could read it. Maybe that might help you enjoy school. Learn to write a paragraph so that the reader can read it
3rdhoax
Oct 20 2008, 03:02 PM
Actully, I've been working on something like this for a few years now. Here are a couple of my ideas:
1. Compensatury education would be thrown out of the window. For those who don't what that is, most schools are given money due to the attendance of children in that particular school. Hence, the more children in attendance, the more money they'll receive. This in effect forces school to keep kids in school even though they don't want to be there. In my plan, since you don't want to be.......then don't come. Then, you won't disrrupt the kids that want to be there. Since you don't have kids going crazy in the classroom, the education the other kids will receive a far better education.
2. Uniforms. I know most people don't like this idea, but when the girls are coming to school looking like whores and the guys are coming to school looking like someone dragged them throught the mud, it's hard to concentrate on what you're suppose to be there for in the first place......an education. Plus, it eliminates the stress to try to keep up with the "in-crowd".
3. Eliminate social engineering courses, such as sex education and environmental studies, gay rights and classes about self-esteem. These things should be taught in college, but never in classes when kids need to learn basic writing and math skills. Once you have the basics down, you can learn whatever you want. Learning how to "put a condom on" or hearing about "how America is destroying the rain forest" can come in higher education. Here in L.A. at least, I know that these type of social engineering courses are being taught, and they've removed some Algebra classes and advanced writing and reading classes to do it. Sure, Johnny can put a condom on a cucumber, but does he know how to solve a simple mathematic equation or construct a sentence properly? Probably not! Learning that two guys can get married isn't as valuable in the long run, if you can't count or read properly.
4. High schools will all become trade schools. Kids will make a choice as to what field they're interested in, and thier education would focus on that. This will do 2 things......1, if you don't decide to go to college, you will be prepared for a professional position right out of high school, and 2, if you decide to go to college in your field of study, you'll receive credits toward that field of study. I found high school to be a complete waste of time, because I knew what I wanted to do, but there wasn't any classes my high school offered toward my career. I always wanted to be a graphics designer, but I had to wait until college to get my Bachelors in Graphic Design. If I an entire cirriculum geared toward graphic design in high school I would've been ahead of the game. I'm sure many kids felt like I did, and if they had been able to take classes in law, consturction, engineering, computers among other things...I think high school would be so boring. I would set up some high schools that would focus in certain subject. Such as...if you had a passion for law, there would be a law high school. Say, you had a passion for science, there would be science high school. Perhaps a high school computer sciences and so forth.
These are just some of my ideas, I have plenty more. High school was such a waste of time for me. I came this close to dropping out, but I stuck with it. I can't but think that I would be far better off, if things were different. I think that my education would have been more exciting if at least one of my ideas had been in place.
JVLN FNGZ
Oct 20 2008, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(3rdhoax @ Oct 20 2008, 09:02 PM)

1. Compensatury education would be thrown out of the window. For those who don't what that is, most schools are given money due to the attendance of children in that particular school. Hence, the more children in attendance, the more money they'll receive. This in effect forces school to keep kids in school even though they don't want to be there. In my plan, since you don't want to be.......then don't come.[/b] Then, you won't disrrupt the kids that want to be there. [b]Since you don't have kids going crazy in the classroom, the education the other kids will receive a far better education.
And what about all the kids going crazy out in the streets? And all the kids who can't read or write or find Iraq on a map, because they'd rather be out shoplifting and happy slapping pensioners? And all the teachers who lose their jobs because there aren't enough kids to teach any more?
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2. Uniforms. I know most people don't like this idea, but when the girls are coming to school looking like whores and the guys are coming to school looking like someone dragged them throught the mud, it's hard to concentrate on what you're suppose to be there for in the first place......an education. Plus, it eliminates the stress to try to keep up with the "in-crowd".
Do schools not have uniforms in America? I agree with your point, though.
3rdhoax
Oct 20 2008, 05:18 PM
QUOTE(JLVN FNGZ @ Oct 20 2008, 04:29 PM)

And what about all the kids going crazy out in the streets? And all the kids who can't read or write or find Iraq on a map, because they'd rather be out shoplifting and happy slapping pensioners? And all the teachers who lose their jobs because there aren't enough kids to teach any more?
Do schools not have uniforms in America? I agree with your point, though.
1. Some kids might go crazy in the streets, but those are the same kids who cause trouble in the classroom. Most of those kids are cut-ups and gang members that cause trouble anyway. They probably have no to little interest in an education anyway. So why allow them to be in school to disrupt the classroom so that other kids don't get an education also? Let them take thier chances in the streets, they're doing that anyway.
For other kids, school just doesn't work....why force them to be there? Most of these kids will probably get jobs at UPS or some other low paying or union jobs, I'm not that concern with those kids. They'll make a way for themselves....they always do.
2. No, most schools in America do not have a uniform policy. Most private schools do, some "government run" schools do, but it's not widespread.
Poetic
Oct 20 2008, 05:22 PM
QUOTE(Melontop @ Oct 20 2008, 09:58 AM)

How many MC's ever tell a kid to pick up a book?
I've used that line in one of my rhymes.
To answer the question:
In elementary school- less bullies
In junior high- less pressure to do so well
In high school- clearer educational goals
In undergrad- less pressure to do so well
Peter Vento
Oct 20 2008, 05:52 PM
COCAINE!
JVLN FNGZ
Oct 20 2008, 08:23 PM
There should be less importance put on grades, especially at a young age. You can assess someone's progress and understanding without stamping a letter onto a piece of paper and turning it into a competition.
QUOTE(3rdhoax @ Oct 20 2008, 11:18 PM)

1. Some kids might go crazy in the streets, but those are the same kids who cause trouble in the classroom. Most of those kids are cut-ups and gang members that cuasing trouble anyway. They probably have no to little interest in an education anyway. So why allow them to be in school to disrupt the classroom so that other kids don't get an education also? Let them tkae thier chances in the streets, they're doing that anyway.
So you think schools should just give up on kids? Haven't you seen Dangerous Minds/One Eight Seven/Freedom Writers/Stand and Deliver/Lean on Me/The Principal/The Ron Clark Story?
Given the choice between learning algebra and playing Grand Theft Auto, how many people are going to pick maths? But if you stick them in a classroom, they might actually pick something up. They might even find that they are good at/enjoy a subject that they didn't think they would.
Education is compulsory for a reason. Lots of reasons. Good ones, too.
Rain
Oct 20 2008, 08:30 PM
To be treated like an adult.
Less homework. It's hard as fuck to juggle homework from 7 classes every night with a job and other shit.
If they let us beat the fuck outta people who deserve it.
Less bullshit from teachers.
Teachers who don't front like caring. Either they do or don't. Be fucking real.
3rdhoax
Oct 20 2008, 09:17 PM
QUOTE(JLVN FNGZ @ Oct 20 2008, 08:23 PM)

So you think schools should just give up on kids?
It's not about schools giving up on kids, it's about giving the strongest possible opportunity to kids that don't mess up thier lives with stupid decisions like gang banging and all that other garbage. I think school administrators bend over backwards to protect kids that do nothing but ruing the school day for kids that want to actually be there and learn something. So, I'm just those kids a choice....either you straighten up and learn something and do something productive or take your chances in the street. It's up to them. If you don't to be in school.......fine, just don't ruing it for the kids.
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