So i was talking to this guy at work and I told him some people dont want to have kids and he said they were selfish. Do you think people who dont want to have kids are selfish?

Absolutely not. Some people have no desire to have children- that's a preference and I fail to see how it's selfish. The world is overpopulated as it is. There are plenty of people out there having children who were not having sex for the purpose of procreating, who are unfit to raise children, who have 6, 14, etc kids without the means to raise them... that to me is selfish.

Kids disgust Mid. They are dumb as fuck, loud, talk about complete fucking bullshit and weak-willed, I mean, you can make a child cry by simply telling them that they can't have ice-cream. Any fuck who is that easy to break is not worthy of any respect. At Christmas, Mid makes a point of telling as many of those ungrateful fucks that Santa doesn't exist. His current record was in 2006, when he successfully made 376 of the non-ballhair having motherfuckers that the fat paedophile with the red suit is a work of fiction.

If kids went extinct Mid wouldn't give a fuck. So what if the human race would be no more? The human race is a disgusting infestation on earth, and besides, evolution cannot improve on Mid, so therefore - when Mid goes - the entire race should go too, just so long as the French die out first.

^ Just to let you know, I didnt read what you said


I dont know what I believe...This is a good question and its way over due for an answer, I'm gonna google a few things and come back with something.

Listen to R Kelly and believe you can fly. . . . . Preferably off a high-rise building you perfectly useless waste of a fucking welfare cheque.

I think for nerded up weeds, obese or offensively ugly horsed headed people (probably covers most of cc) the choice of having a child should be taken out of their hands. Why pass your nerded up faulty chromosomes onto the next generation? Mind you if theres any truth to the expression "if you dont use it you'll lose it" then causing a pregnancy isnt something the vast majority of this website need worry about.

hey alte, you actually arent that much of a fag when you arent trying to be an angry cunt like your buddy mid.

Like the dude ALTE gives a fuck about the critique of some nerd with a sig drawn by a fucking spastic on shrooms.

Yeah I mean some people may not want Children because they know they might hurt them in some kind of way. So it is not selfish, to slander someone because of their personal preferences is Selfish. Nah the world ain't overpopulated either, they just want to scare us and make us think that shit.

Oh is that your educated and professional opinion on the matter?

Try sending him to China and see if that changes his mind.

^ He said the World wasn't over populated, not China. Fuckface.

@ this granny shagger thinking that China isn't a part of the world.

That was my argument dumbass

You're a fucking idiot.

Yes gay guy it is my educated and professional opinion. Other than that, it's more like Common Sense telling me that the world cant be overpopulated.

Lets look at China shall we. China under Communist control had about 70,000,000 people killed. That's 35,000,000 deaths During the Revolution and After the Revolution. Today forced abortion, and other travesties kill millions each year. So unless all those people that were killed were Immortal, I don't see any kind of overpopulation happening.

http://www.firstgen.org/essays/firstgen_my...rpopulation.htm

This is what I was reading up on sometime last year. I've never really gotten to talk about this so I'm glad I have the chance to now. And seeing to as you obviously have "something to prove" to the people here on this Forum, why don't you prove to me that you ain't some kinda Freemason or something and go read that. Cho scary ass.

Don't laugh at one another, that is what the Djinn do. Do you know about Djinn? You ignorant fuck.

You're most likely surrounded by them, you negative little nerd.

@ thinking that post makes you look like any less of a fucking idiot.

While you laugh at me there are Djinn laughing at you

Makes you wonder what they teach in special needs classes these days.

How overpopulated the world is...

its not selfish. the world we live in today is so fucked up. i think everyone who brings a child into this world is selfish for not fixing the world before we bring our children into this suffering.

@ all these fucks who think that being selfish is a negative quality. . . . . That's probably why Mid's watch is worth more than their house.

Selfishness is a negative quality once you think about it. I mean look at how Selfish mutha fuckas run the world.

Thats why they run the world fool.

Yesterday my professor mentioned a Saudi King who fathered 124 children! Lets face it this dude probably inherited all that wealth he didnt go to school to earn it.

no its not being selfish you choose what you want in life if you don't want kids you don't want them your not required by law to have them he's a fucken idiot anyways don't pay no mind to him

It's selfish and irrational. Morally reprehensible mindsets like this and homosexuality are what will lead to the decadence and eventual collapse of Western society.

Reproduction is absolutely integral to the survival of the human species. It goes against nature decide against it.

Are you patently stupid?

Saying "I can do what i wants your not the boss of me" like you're a belligerent, worthless teenager (which you probably are) does not constitute an argument.

I hope that's a poor attempt at humor, because that's the worst argument I've ever heard. Do you even have a remote grasp on human population growth? Regardless of how many millions die each year from disease, drunk driving, etc, there are more babies being born. Every single woman does not need to bear children to keep the population going. I could see that type of thinking if the human race was dying out and becoming extinct, but right now we are far from it, even with all the death in the world. Lack of children is not going against nature, it's going FOR nature, because nature is disappearing and getting destroyed more and more each year, directly because of human needs(and calling them needs is a mega over statement, more like luxuries). Get out of the stone age. Humans aren't anywhere near extinct, and we won't be unless we kill ourselves off or a major disaster strikes.

Personally, I don't want kids. There's plenty out there that don't even have a home. Why should I make more? If anything I'll adopt a kid, but I doubt it. I just don't want to waste my life away because the media portrays families as the be all end all to everything. There's plenty of other ways to spend your life besides raising kids. It's not selfish. You should follow your heart. Pursue the goals that you want to pursue. If that involves kids, than so be it, but I'm not going to conform to your standard of living, simply because it's the popular belief. My passions involve arts, helping the needy and at least trying to make a difference in the world. Kids will just slow me down from living my life to what I consider the fullest.

I have an excellent grasp of current population increases. Why are you bringing human exploitation into this? That's an entirely different issue. The Earth could sustain far more than the current population if we were able to harness other forms of energy and perfect genetic modification.

We aren't even close to a limit.

I don't see how your passions pertain to the argument at hand, but I couldn't help but notice the massive contradiction you made in your last paragraph. How can you state that it isn't selfish, but a few lines later state that the only reason why you don't want to reproduce is because you feel it'll negatively affect your own life? That's the definition of selfish.

Do you not realize what you're saying? The media portrays family as a dull waste of time. It hardly endorses it. I know going against the grain makes you feel rebellious, but you are conforming to somebody else's standard of living. Those of the society you live in.

Yes. IF.. and that's a HUGE IF. Why even bring that up if we are not even close to that level of energy efficiency? Also, do not forget that there's a lot more resources on earth besides energy. What about the forests, the jungles, the wilderness reserves, WATER, FOOD, oil, animal population etc? They are all shrinking DIRECTLY because of the human race. This is reality, not the energy efficient utopia that you mentioned above.



Following your heart is not selfish, especially when doing so creates non selfish outcomes (ie donating money or services to help those in need). Selfishness is when you put yourself above everyone else, which is the exact opposite of what I'm talking about. Yes, you need to look out for your own well being and survival, however if it causes suffering to others or affects people negatively then you are being selfish. There's no way around it, and having an abundance of children in a world that already has tons of children with no homes or families IS SELFISH. Could you please provide some examples of why it is selfish to not have kids. That makes almost every priest in the world selfish, including the pope.



You couldn't be more wrong. Put on almost any TV show, put on the news, put on almost any movie and tell me what you see. You see families, you see love, you see sex, and you see violence. It is CENTERED around family life and if you don't believe this you must view very selective media. How many love stories are out there? Love is exactly what brings people to having kids. Sex is the direct way to do it. Violence destroys families and is portrayed as such in the news AND on movies. There is always a family involved. It is most certainly the popular belief that the standard for someone is to eventually marry and have kids. It's just the way it is. Open your eyes.

are u fucken stupid seriously he asked if it was selfish and i said no why cause u do what you want in life ok and as for being a teenager hunny i wish i was still but im probably more older than your ass read back on the reply before you get anyone cause u looked straight up retarded..

3 paragraphs of nonsensical crap.

You could have done everybody a favor and told me that you were going to write a massive wall of text in which you contradict your self at least 3 times.

Your last point makes no sense. Of course it's centered around family life. Specifically around how mundane and worthless it is. You obviously are unable to differentiate between positive and negative exposure. The media abhors family life and glorify those who abstain from it, ie. 95% of celebrities today.

I'm going to let it come to you. It'll take a while, but you'll get it eventually, sport.

So I guess you concede then, since you ignore most of my points, and felt it necessary to insult me because you can't handle the truth. I did not contradict myself ONCE. Family life is key in almost every single tv show and movie. I'm not talking about ONLY the news media, or what's on entertainment tonight. I'm talking about ALL media. Music, TV, Hollywood, etc. The news media focuses on celebrity fuck ups and the like BECAUSE IT SELLS, not because they hate family life. What kind of a piss poor attempt at jumping to conclusions is that? I hate the news media as much as the next man, but you can't blame them because celebrities are horrible role models. But that's only a select few shows that focus on celebs. How often do you turn on a news channel like CNN or FOX and see celebrity news? It is RARE compared to politics, crime, fear and family life. You failed to list a single reason why it is selfish to not have kids. Way to 100% fail to demonstrate your points and at life in general. Yeah, you should probably jump off a cliff now. You'll probably do better in the next life.

I insulted your joke of an argument, sport, not you.



Another worthless wall of text? If family life is glorified is in the media you view, then that's a good thing, because family life is a glorious thing.

What kind of waste of space doesn't want to carry on his line?

FWIW I think Barcs has hit the nail on the head

The human race isn't dying out, and having children is probably the single most un-environmentally friendly thing you can do. If people want them, then fine - and if people don't, thats cool too. With so many unwanted kids in the world, it is surely a more positive step to look to adopt or abstain

So i was flipping through some channels on my TV and I noticed that this was the topic on they Tyra Banks show

check out some of the comments people made regarding this isue. It seems as if from the few comments I read the people commenting think that it is Selfish


http://tyrashow.warnerbros.com/2009/05/and...af.php#comments

People are so brainwashed it's not even funny. They're just pissed off because they got knocked up when they weren't planning it and then had to suffer with the consequences.

Yep, Nomad fails again.

So what's the counter argument here? That having or wanting to have kids is completely selfless and altruistic?

Yeah, if you ask the general public their opinion on anything - you will 9 times out of 10 get moron answers.

The internet was better when it was just students, geeks, a few business people and the military using it

umm i been got it your just speaking out your ass .you just not making no sense in a topic or even following the discussion your just being plain ignorant if you ask me .This is a grown conversation.