First off I have no problem with x prenn
No problem with you starting a new forum
I don't even have a problem with you putting in it your sig

I do have a problem with you having the mod power. You no longer have the best intrest of this forum in mind. I don't know who else is a mod and trying to do both. You can't be a mod/admin orwhat ever, of both. It's not fair to all of us.

I havn't been here long enough, but there are some vets who derserve to be mods.

I don't know where all of your alliances are I am just saying.

Makes sence

INQUEST?

I say INQUEST!

PETITION FOR INQUEST?

I'm pretty sure this site will be abandoned by most eventually, this is Conspiracy-Central nowadays.

4 real

That maybe true, but it doesn't make it right to have them as mods
. The other forums have more to gain if this site fails.

I Think thats the point dotor is trying to make though....

the Mods of these boards need to be doing their job making sure these forums dont get outa hand with nonsense. Whether it be fighting between members, or new members accusing others of things with no proof, Erase those threads that have no purpose. Erase/move properly those threads that clearly only were made to cause trouble and beef.

If we who always visit these forums didnt care, we wouldnt even be bringing it up, But the fact that I have asked for nonsense threads to be erased, so has KI, so have several others, its obvious we want this to be the best forums around. But if instead of doing their jobs and helping out us low members who actually still care about the forums, if instead of helping the mods jus leave and go somewhere else then what hope do we have to make this place better?

After all that talk of unity and holding hands, I dunno how those with the responsibilty to actually change things and help us normal members who Want this place cleaned up, I dunno how they could jus leave all of us behind and just start something new without even taking care of the responsibilites they already have here to ppl who have been loyal and posting for years.

I can't speak for any one else, but I think the other site was created for that reason. This site has been a fail for awhile, but since the other site was in the works, why work on this one? Over there all the mods will be able to do what they need to do and no one will be able to abuse that power, since the admin will be active and not like the cyborg guy who hasn't checked here since who knows when. I'm a mod here in the audio section and I'm banned from the shoutbox too, even though I never posted in it lol.

They're mods on a rival canibus site and on here. Thats not right. We should be able to choose not a rival site.

Thats the problem right there. People have thier interests invested elsewhere so in the meantime this forum is an anarchy pretty much. If some of the .net guys wanted to come back and cause havoc there is no one here. As far as I know Xprenn is the only mod that has power and Cyborg/motorcycle has never been back since that thread he made.

Secondly, its the older members that bash others, mostly causing new comers to post less. I'll admit I take part in useless taunting here and there but just look at Canibus forum, most of the threads that have posts are filled with bickering and arguements. Always Haters & defenders type shit. If people's attitude/behaviour doesn't change then it doesn't matter where you up and leave to, it will be similar just different URL. How many sites will come out of CC? I've seen CW and RTJ.net go down, then .net, now we got Infinity forums and the Hip Hop underground, not to mention Ferdowsi was talking about yet another site that isn't up and running yet.

Obviously, but we can't because no one on this site has real power anyways, so its more of a replacement site and not a rival, that's how I look at it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we just don't have an active Super Mod, right?

^I think so.

It's impossible to clean this place up when the admin isn't here to delegate powers properly and use their own powers to keep things clean. I have no clue where you are getting the idea that 'the mods over there are the ones over here.' There's only one mod there and that's XPreNN. And I still see him over here all the time on the active list.

Even though I'm starting to move over there I always check here first because I've already invested a lot of energy into this place. The reason I only posted the videos of the Miami performance over there and not here was to get the true Bis fans that actually want to check out that kind of info to head over there and see what kind of place is getting built.

It's exactly what is being asked for in this thread "no bickering and arguing, someone in power who has the ability to take care of situations when they arise, posters not having to be afraid to post because of negativity."

I don't have any authority to speak for XPreNN but it's my understanding one of the major reasons he made CIF was because he didn't have enough tools here to keep the place in check. He has as much power here that one possibly can have without being admin and the place still went to shit because he didn't have the ability to ban the trolls or take immediate action when it came to things.

If you can even get a hold of the admin here (Cyborg) to ask about getting a different mod, then do so. But to sit here and make claims the X would have some kind of ulterior motive is bullshit. He is one of the most down to earth guys I've ever talked to. He only wants to bring positivity to the movement, he wouldn't do anything to harm any Canibus forum. Instead of making bullshit claims, talk to the man. If you don't think he has the best interests of this place in mind ask him to relinquish his power. Don't try to stage a coup.

While I haven't spoke to Xprenn or Dotor and I simply cannot speak on either one's behalf, I don't think this thread is an attack on Xprenn or a coup. I think its better to try to clean this place up and make adjustments than have everyone migrate, that has happened previously, CW migrated to CC then a lot of CC migrated to cc.NET and now we seem to have yet 2-3 more places attracting this site's members. Honestly, how many active posting members do we have here? I've notice way more traffic on here in last few days, I see soo many guests, not bots, but I think they are either intimidated or discouraged by the negativity here, mostly in Canibus section alone. This is just my opinion ofcourse, so take it how you want.

I wasn't a personal attack. I have nothing against him. I said this from the get go. Look at the last thing I wrote in my first post.
I DON'T know where his alliances are . I have no idea . I am saying he doing anything bad. I was saying it's just not fair.
We have to accept this place for what it is. It will never be a utopia We can never get rid of all the bickering.
A coup....
Ha HA hA ha
This isn't real life kid. I can't go into a palace and take over.
I never said I should be in power. There are people who have been here longer than I have.

I don't want this to turn into a back and forth
Please don't take anything I say the wrong way. I am not nit pick everything people say I hope you can respect me in the same way.

I definitely agree and would love this place to be cleaned up. I mean, it would be so much easier to fix this place up then start from scratch. But the owner/admin of this site isn't ever around and that has now caused two schisms. The virus' the banners brought to this site coupled with no one here to fix the issues of negativity and out right bashing really has become an issue for members. Everyone was able to coexist when Reflex owned this place, I'm sure you can attest to that OR. Without a figurehead here to do their duties this place can't be fully fixed.

But your, Eyes, and Dotor's claim that XPreNN is leaving this place and letting it go to shit is wrong. He's still here and posts and does what he can. I mean I'm modding the Music section and the Off-topic section and I feel handcuffed with not much to do if there is some kind of argument. All you can pretty much do is delete posts or move threads to Second Round KO subforum and both actions get you bitched at by the poster/s involved. There's not much that can be done with the situation we have here to culture a place that's a welcoming environment for new members and a haven for established members. That's what is trying to be created over at CIF. But by no means am I (nor do I think others that post over there) will stop posting or contributing here. But it's a testament to how deplorable this place is when you have a Ripper like Shan51 who won't even post here anymore because of the state it is in. That man has done so much throughout the years and feels like this place isn't worth it anymore. It's a damn shame that it has come to this point.

This is what I mean by nit picking .. I never said he was leaving this place to go to shit ... What aren't you getting? I am keeping my opinion of the reasons why out of this . I don't want a .com history lesson Of why is can be fixed or what happen.
Me= saying it's not fair. You can rationalize it any way. You can see it a replacement site, that's what .net was suppose to be.
Rival site.

I honestly think it will be good for everyone the other forum that is.

To post below. If i opened a site that new one would be my focus... my bad he could every well be spending more time and engery here.
okay So I think we both had our input now we can left the rest of the forum speak, fair enough?

I was in the middle of posting my reply to OddReflex and never saw your post Dotor so I wasn't able to obey your requests to not "nit-pick."

As far as this:














All bolded parts are either out-right saying or insinuating that XPrenn is not doing what he can here or that he's going to leave this place and let it crumble.

But when it comes to this:


If you didn't want to turn this into a back and forth thing or nit-pick fest then why can't you practice what you preach?

What's getting to me the most is the "us vs. them" thing you're doing. We're all wanting the same things! The only difference is that someone decided to take matters into their own hands and create the place we want to see.

Even if X wanted to he can't delegate who is moderator and who isn't. If he steps down that would mean he simply doesn't post here anymore which would undoubtedly leave this place open to attacks and open for fighting, unless someone can get a hold of the owner have them change who's the global moderator here.

Believe me, Dotor, I tried fixing this site. It took me a lot of trouble to even get the 'Global Moderator' status, after that, the owners of this site just stopped responding to my e-mails.

Anyway, simply moving and deleting the bickering doesn't help here, somehow, it's just everywhere! You can't just sit around all day fighting the symptoms. It takes time to do that too, you know, I have other ways to spend my days besides clicking move topic, delete post, etc.

So, I built the Canibus Infinity Forums (which is the site Ferdowsi was talking about by the way). You can argue it took me even more time than modding an already existing site, and it did (a lot more). But at least it fixes the problems this site has, no user input.
Sure, cc.com is quiet now, but it's only a matter of time before it gets out of hand again. And seriously, mod or no mod, all you can do is watch it go to shit.

Another reason I built the Infinity forums is because, Like Akashic said, people like Shan (even Canibus himself from what I've heard) barely visit this forum anymore, if at all. That's not right.

I still come here though, I won't just leave this place to rot, but I do expect things to slowly shift towards the Infinity forums, because that place is focused on the future.

We'll see what happens, just know I did what I did because I felt a need to do it, I'm pretty lazy, so for me to do something like this, should count for something

Ok, let me go through this really simple so people can understand why a new forum was built by XPreNN. He did this independently.

I set all the mod's on this site, me and another user were the only global mod's and all other mod's were inactive, so I picked some rippers who I thought were worthy to mod each section.

The person who owns this site doesn't ever check it, they don't do any mod's and none of the upgrades promised were ever installed except viruses to damage our computers.

I personally advised all users if they are unhappy to create a group petition and then we can hand this into the admin, cyborg, so that he can take on board what our group concerns are, this never happened, and as there was only 1's and 2's emailing him, he merely ignored them. You can ignore one man but not an army.

Because of a lack of real ability to do anything as a global mod, for example create new forums, delete trolling users, delete hateful spam, as well as the constant problem of pop ups and ad's which the mod gets just like everyone else, XPreNN decided that instead of trying to convince someone who doesn't seem bothered about this place rotting, we'd make a place of our own.

Notice, I gave this group advice to the .netters, they claim it was their own idea but I distinctly remember when the site changed hands I suggested creating a new forums and moving there and then using that as a bargaining chip as to make them fix this site. Instead, the .netters created the site, ADVERTISED like there was no tomorrow here on CC.com and then proceeded to banning certain members as well as true rippers being targetted with hate campaigns.

If you notice, all we have done on these forums to inform you of XPreNN's forum was ask for a few test users and XPreNN has one tiny line in his sig. This is far from the madness CC.net did, and nobody apart from a few took it upon themselves to fix this place, mainly...........ME! I deleted probably 1000 threads of advertisements for CC.net, no lies, 1000!

Now with the structure of the new site, we have groups of users, we have rewards for using the site for its purpose and creating it into a fountain of knowledge, we have great users on there, primarily of MC's, Beat smithers, mixers and generally good people. The site is mainly gaining support from the SpitBoss movement, thus no need to advertise on CC.com or attempt to ruin this site, as Akashic pointed out, XPreNN STILL is on here a lot and still moderates, I am MORE than sure XPreNN would be more than happy if someone worthy should take his place here, but I don't see how or why he would need to be replaced? Can anyone cite one occasion where XPreNN has failed doing what he does on these forums? Or is it the "principle"? Can you name one ripper who is as true as XPreNN for this cause who would be willing to mod this site?

If you can find answers for these questions then I would say it would be fair to ask for XPreNN to be removed, but all your complaints are kinda willy nilly, they don't seem to have any foundation. I have heard wild claims by, would you believe it, trollers, that XPreNN and I and others are involved in some conspiracy, but the truth is when everyone left this site and said FUCK THAT PLACE, people like me and XPreNN held the fort and ensured that the MIXERS still had a place to drop mixes and be able to communicate without continual hate for the art.

The new place really shows what respect we do have for the mixers, Canibus INFINITY Forums, where as others feel that in Hip Hop and community respect shouldn't be shown, we feel that the upmost respect should be shown to one another and we want to harbour that energy and love, anyone who isn't into that still have many options and this is an option for those who want to be surrounded by that love. AGAIN, I will have you note we are doing very little "advertising" for this, when I say we, those are all the rippers conscious that this is a positive step for the music and the future, that CC.com and the constant internal bickering and hate and jealousy really is pointless and detracts us from the reason we are here, our combined love, and the fact if we were all in a room we'd ALL probably be very friendly to one another.

Anyway, if anyone can get a reply from the forum owner, maybe some suggestions of forum leader could be made, I doubt XPreNN would mind too much who as long as who they are he believes is worthy of moderating to a high standard for our community. CIF is not here to destroy CC, its here to give users the chance to use a site which works and doesn't keep messing up as well as the opportunity to improve if and when it needs to. Peace,

Ferdowsi

well to make things clear, I wasnt attacking Xprenn at all. Personally I think hes a fantastic mod, hes one of the few who have actually helped me out. And I feel him when he says theres just so much outa place, cuz thats aparent all you gotta do is go a few pages back in certian sections to see porn, spam ect. Still I was just concerned that with the addition of this new mod position at the infinity forums that it would be too much work or stress for him, doing so much, and eventually he may want to stop his original position as a mod here.

Im glad the new canibus forums are open, the more bis the better to me, but I really dont get this whole fail thing, or negative attitude towards this forum. Like there are new topics everyday, mad ppl still post, when the MM announcement first was made there was thousands of hits in that one thread alone after only a day or two. Besides of the hardware issues like viruses, spam, I dont see how this forum is failing. And its kind of a slap in the face to mr los angeles, dante, jvln fangs, ect the hundreds of ppl that still do post. Like are they a 'fail'? Cuz its all the different members who I come to check out their opinions on everyday on here. They are the ones interesting and keeping it alive. I know L boogie or Pun may not post on a daily basis here anymore, but its prolly not cuz of the actual boards, but they just dont have the time and are busy living their lives. I mean if this board is a 'fail' then damn what is the cc.net forums? what is the babygrande forums? cuz in comparision to most of the forums out there, this one is very much alive and informative.

Im sure that there could be more topics, but you have to remember Canibus hasnt released an album in over 2 years. This isnt like wucorp where 9 different ppl get disscussed plus dozens of affiliates, its only 1 guy who until very recently even started doing interviews. Along with Canibus wanting to live an extremely private life, its amazing theres as many recent topics as there is about him. I dont see why this board is getting the blame when the artist who its promoting hasnt made any moves. Even this new album MM, is being kept private. So what topics can really be made? And is it CC's fault? No it isnt.

If Canibus is not visiting these forums, that is a shame, I mean he doesnt even want to listen to new PLoo songs that ppl still make on a daily basis here? He doesnt even care about his own fanbase? I mean it seems like were always dissapointing canibus or we can never make him happy if thats the case. Canibus last album was all about the conspiracies so why are his fans blamed for their new found curiousity with the subject when thats all dude has been rapping about. Reptilian this and sun worship that, no wonder why some focus has been brought to these subjects. This place Only goes in the direction bis goes it, So I dont get why when we embrace what he raps about, why then we are looked down upon? Regardless, clearly the fact that new Ploo original mixes come out everyday on these forums is a testament to things being alive and well. How many other forums have something like that for a hip hop artist? How many forums out there can organize a RTJ tape? or a MK tourny? You see this forum has great power when utilized and great strength when we all are positive.

Jus cuz shan doesnt post here this place fell off? Yea right, shan doesnt represent every fan out there. If Shan is unhappy he can easily post. No one is stoping him. Post topics you wanna talk about. But instead he just wants to complain and say bis doesnt visit here trying to discourage others. Wheres shans love at for his fellow ripper? does he or bis even give a fuck or do they just talk on the phone everyday about how much cc sucks? Wheres that positivity weve been hearing so much about? To me, This site is more that just some topics, theres the ploo discography, download section wit all bis verses, its a home to almost 10,000 ppl with many new members signing up as we speak! As I said before senior members like Shan should be setting an example here with postivity and leadership. IF you want to complain about the hardware issues of this site fine, if you wanna be negative about that then fine, but give credit where credits due, and thats to all the real rippers out there who visit this forum, who hold it down with mixes. Some of the most interesting and TALENTED ppl can still be found here so if you want to have a negative attitude about things fine, but dont associate members here with a 'fail'.

Yeah I understand you're in a tuff place, tuff ha. I would do the exactly same if I made a new site. In all honesty I think it would be better for all the hardcore infinity guys to go, PLEASE don't take this the wrong way. That way you can focus and don't have people trolling ect ect. hence the name infinity forum....I know you're saying with or with out a mod it will fail, but I am just saying let us get one. K.I.? FANGZ? Another vet who hasn't had too many problems. We may bicker ect ect but I like. The people who take it to an extreme should be stopped. But every one does it . It's the internet guys.
Yeah i rambled on too much. at the start i said i DON't mind the ads .
my Point = focus on your future and the future of that site/ get new mods or mod and demod , if thats a word, yourselfs , if possible.
I think that fair enough, nothing personal. I don't know all the little details of things and to what extent it's possible.

just come to .net it's the same but with actual admins and no ads and viruses

ok

Lets not get off topic. The only people on .net are the admins. Check the shout box it even says .com>>.net . What do you two think of he main topic.

The thing is Dotor, the people you suggest to be admin here are apart of that "hardcore infinity group." JVLN has made some of the sickest mixes but according to you he should just go to CIF and leave this place because of that. And K.I. is already over there posting and has been apart of the mixing movement since the beginning. I think someone like OddReflex is a vet who so far has talked the talk about getting this place straight and he isn't apart of some "hardcore infinity group."

And CIF isn't about just focusing on mixing it's about having a place to discuss whatever you would like in an environment void of senseless belittling or personal attacks. It happens to be Canibus oriented because we all share that same common thread, the love for the man's music. Don't make it out to be that those forums are just for a tight-knit small group of mixers, because from what I can tell there has been one maybe two mixes that have been posted there that are brand new. Over there, *cues in Dead Prez music* it's bigger than hip hop, hip hop, hip hop, hip
It's bigger than hip hop, hip hop, hip hop, hip hop. Haha. Seriously though, it's about creating a better commUNITY.

.......

Then oddreflex. As long as we have some one in for the long haul.

i see where this is coming from, this site is falling apart,not just the ads,but with the viruses and the hatemongering.

if xprenns site can provide a clean wholesome canibus forum where i can take my girlfriend,then i`ll come.

i think its sad with whats happening with this site but the owners are cunts and dont even deserve the money they get off our clicks.

rather it be a trusted ripper like x doin it with the greater good of the community in mind.

also,a suggestion xprenn , can u politic with spitboss for us about opening a channel of communication on the forums behalf,so we could contribute to that pool (not me personnaly but i know a few producers who are very accomplished and would love to contribute beats).

im not sayin this to bypass spitboss registration and theyre place in the scene but rather make it easier to contribute for others who may not be too heavy in online politicing(its not about the 35 bucks,but its alot to ask for "possibility" of getting youre beats used by the spitboss community when im talking/pitching it to my friends. youre not just submitting beats,you are bound to spend a whole lotta time networking on there to get shit thru.im just suggestion a way of submitting material, and if its gains interest on spitboss,people would surely log on and pay the ting.

i dont even rap in english so its not about me. i know a lot of great producers and i would love to see all parties gain from it.

its just a suggestion

anyhoo,i`ll join the new forum and i got faith in xprenn.

Well, I'm not sure about opening up a channel, though it's a good idea, it would take some programming to fully implement it. programming = development time = money

But, the upside is, CIF has a lot of the spitboss members on there too. Not to advertise too much, but it's a good alternative perhaps.

Ok, so now we have like 4 Bis forums now? What the fuck is the point? It only divides us further.

i meant channel like the cia does, " we have a communication channel to the koreans, president" get me.

So we should all go to cc.net? They're all for unity, right? Oh no, wait, they troll cc.com AND they troll CIF.

No thank you.

And which one is the fourth, by the way?

Who ever has the power needs to stop people from changing texts that they din not write.

Im not a victim YET but once it starts im gone.

Rewriting peoples texts is a waste of their time

CANI BEE Z .org.

Nah I think he means spitboss

What do you mean? In the shoutbox? Or just mods editing posts?

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you meant in the line mentioning my name. I haven't suggested any new mods or have any intentions of asking to become one. .I'm also not sure what "hardcore infinity group" you're talking about. I don't mix ploo on regular basis, I did some stuff when all the layers were posted (by Ezekiel I think?). I don't feel the need to belong to any exclusive sub-groups as most of us that post here are Canibus Fans to being with. I come here to check for Bis' music and news, I'm happy playing my part as a regular member, outside that there isn't too much I need or ask for.

OR, I didn't mean it in any negative way. Dotor said that the "hardcore infinity group" just move to the new forums but then suggested two replacement mods that fit that characteristic. I said you were a vet here who in Dotor's eyes shouldn't leave since you're not apart of that crowd and you obviously want whats best for this site. So I suggested you or even someone of your ilk.

u all write fuckin essays

Oh ok, just wasn't sure what you meant. Anyhow, lets just see how things unfold. I just finished acting an ass on shoutbox so who am I to get serious here

WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO IS POST MORE ON THE HIP HOP SECTION OR OFF TOPIC SECTION!!!! SURE ITS A SITE BASED ON CANIBUS BUT COME

very true mr. la . I think we forgot how to have fun.

I dont think I can remember the last time i had "fun" in this site
I just come here for the Canibus updates now but then that too is wack cus of the constant shit talking in the threads.

CC.net is cool for hip hop updates the Canibus section is dead over there so what that site lacks this one has it and vice Versa...

yo reading everyones posts, talking to people on shoutbox, thats fun to me.

Of course its not fun when im being accused of things by random ppl but it is what it is. I wouldnt go as far as saying the whole board is strugglin cuz of a few members wanting to argue or whatnot.

The way I see it, we got less than a month left before Melatonin Magik drops. If the albums even half as good as everyone is saying then things are going to get a whole lot better, very quickly. Weve been waiting for over 2 years for some new canibus solo material, some new things to talk about, so I can only imagine after we hear the new album what sort of new topics and discussions we can create based off of it.

Were all getting very antsy I know, but no need to go overboard with things. Lets all just relax & be patient for this next month and then we can finally bear witness to the magik

One of you leaving should give someone you think is worthy your account password so we can atleast clean up if the spam gets outta hand , ads from random bots. ect.

why the fuck do u want to be a mod on a dead site? just make music and move on.

It's not dead yet. Why are you posting in a site you think is dead?

just to pump the beastmode movement and the remixes i make.

i dont fuck with ploo no more. not that i hate it because when it came out it was fucking ill.

but due to the negativity and bullshit (that i added to) i leave it alone.

now i just wanna focus on grabbing dope bis vocals and puttin them on my mixtapes.

i got love for bis he is a cool dude with alot of patience (more than me) and i will rep his music till i die.

eventually i will fly over to C.I.F and rep that shit.

e-beefin.




Cats just need to get over all this bullshit, Mod needs to do some cleaning up and everything will be fine. CC has plenty of active members