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BIOGRAPHY | BEEFS | INTERVIEWS | ARTICLES
THE HORSEMEN | CLOAK 'N DAGGA
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Alright, I'm gonna let you know, I'm low budget over here. I don't have a tape recorder or nothing, hell, I'm using a calling card to call you right now, I don't have long distance, so there's gonna be pauses and shit while I'm trying to scribble shit down.
Alright man.
Alright, first off, new album. Gimme the overview.
2000 B.C. Just coming with more of that raw vibe people know me from, from those guest shots, mix tapes, just more of that raw shit. Productions stepped up on this, I got shit from the Beatnuts, Me and Ra are on a cut.. Plus I got the Horsemen coming, that's me, Ras Kass, Pharoahe Monche, Killah Priest, and Kurupt.
Okay, just Horsemen, not Four Horsemen, cause obviously, that's 5 cats right there.
Nah, I always just called it horsemen. That was Kurupt always putting the 4 in there. I never wanted to put a number on it, because I always knew there'd be more cats, people I wanted to put on, up and comers and shit.
Are there up and comers you got that you want to add to the lineup already?
Yeah, but I mentioned one of 'em I was thinking about having, and it got put in an internet interview, and you know, there's people coming up to him all "yo, I heard.." This internet thing can fuck people up sometimes, man, you can't surprise no one no more, this internet shit will spoil the fuck out of you. There's no surprises, unless you record the shit in your fucking basement, master it, mix it, all that, don't let no one hear it until you take it to the label, otherwise it's gonna get spoiled. But it's not just me looking for people, it's everyone in the group looking for people. Lonnie B and Danja Mowf are a couple we're thinking about, I let the group hear em, they like their shit, but we're still looking for more, you know?
You got a tour all ready to go?
My agents setting up all that.
What can we expect? You got a stage show set up, or is it just gonna be two turns, a mic and Canibus fucking shit up?
Yeah, just me two turntables, a mic, you know, the way a show should be, but also, unfortunately, the budget aint as permitting for me to do some of that crazy off the wall shit.
What about a Horsemen tour? Plans going into that, or is that a little too far into the future? Because obviously, that'd be a pretty big attraction right there.
I would love for some shit to pop off, but it ain't even really up to me, you know? It's up to the people. If the people really wanna see a Horsemen tour, buy up our records and shit, they make it happen. The fans make it happen. Like the couple guest appearances that got radio play and whatever, I kept it real for my fans, that hardcore shit, and they made it happen.
Speaking of your guest appearances, me personally, I bugged when I first heard you on "Beasts from the East." is there a specific guest shot you did, not to take away from the other ones, but is there a guest shot that you think back on and go, "Damn.."
I approach every record with the same aggression. For me, it's like this, and I've done it from the beginning: When I'm writing for a record, regardless of who's on it, *I* gotta make an *impact,* not I gotta shit all over so and so, I gotta say this and that about somebody, that doesn't even enter into it. My rhyme's just gotta be tight. I dont' want people like "Oh, yo, I don't even remember Canibus on that record." every record I've appeared on, I'm trying to make that impact. I enjoy rhyming because of that. So I like "Beasts from the East," yeah, but I also like "Uni-4-orm," I liked that Firm shit, I like "4,3,2,1" you know? I'm just trying to make an impact. You go into the studio, you start writing thinking "I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna try to get it to sound like so-and so" you already fucked up, right there, before you even start, your shit is gonna be fucked up. You gotta make the shit sound like YOU, make that impact.
Are there any releases coming up that you're looking forward to?
Ummmmm... nah, not really. I'm trying to get this Horsemen thing going, trying to concentrate on my own shit. There's not too much out there that's really hitting me.
Yeah, 2000's been a pretty stagnant year.
You know why? Hip Hop, the real Hip Hop? That vibe is extinct like the dinosaur, man. The Public Enemy, the EPMD, the NWA, Ice Cube, you won't ever get that vibe ever again. It's all different now. The 2001 tour? That's dope. Because of it's intrinsic appeal, because it's got a link to that old vibe. You got NWA, without Eazy of course, and all these groups have a link to that, a link to that old vibe. But a new group coming out with that same effect? It wont happen ever again. The media's just overexposed hip hop, all kinds of people jumping all over it.
It's like a commodity now.
Yeah, you don't got people getting known off this album and that, you got people getting known of like, one song on the radio, now that motherfucker is "known." You got motherfuckers getting record deals off of winning a freestyle battle, what the fuck is that? Why not give the guy with a 6 song demo, who can tell the a&r, "yo, I got like, 12 more songs already done up" who's spent time in a studio and knows how to make a song, why not give that guy a deal? Hip Hop is fucked up right now, and a lot of shit is gonna come crashing. Hopefully kids will bring the lyrics, and there'll be kids fucking with the beats (I'm not much of a beat man, myself) but yunno, hopefully they'll have enough power to regenerate this shit.
You downloaded anything off Napster recently?
I've never downloaded nothing off Napster. I been there, checked it out, but when I'm on the internet, I'm more like a passive observer, I don't go into chatrooms or nothing, I just find it interesting to watch motherfuckers talk shit, have conversations. I don't have a problem with people downloading my shit, I don't mind it, because that's publicity, right, and I don't turn down publicity. But, this whole Dre shit, I can understand where he's coming from on that, if people are downloading his shit just to download it, not supporting or nothing, that's publicity I don't need, that's taking a chunk out of his sales right there.
You ever thought about covering a hip hop song? Or is the just the idea of it like "blaaaaah" to you?
No no.. it ain't bad; I've never done it because the artists that have done it, if you look at em, they got that "dont' give a fuck" attitude to em, you know? that "I can say whatever and they'll love me." thing going on. I can't do that, because people listen to my lyrics, really listen, and start analyzing, motherfuckers looking to dissect my shit, to find something 'wrong' in it, and they'd be like "awww, see, he did it wrong, he aint do it as good as them" that's one more thing for them to bitch about. But on "Horsementality" there was a version where we jacked "The Symphony" beat, and we were fucking with that, just fucking around, and of course it got leaked and bootlegged and put on the internet and aaaaaaaaaah.. but I'm more like--I'd rather do something dope from scratch.
You heard the Everlast cover of "Shook Ones?"
Everlast, that white kid?
Yeah, he covered "Shook Ones" and he left in the "niggas" that song had. Is there a problem there, what do you feel when you hear white rappers, or white kids in general, using the word "nigga?"
No, see, I feel like the real offense ain't from their end. Some of em feel it, I mean really feel it, and when they speak, they ain't got that mindset to it, you know? I mean, it just don't offend me as much as say, it might offend my grandfather. I mean, it's different now, it's not like it was for my grandfather, you say that shit around him, he's gonna get highly offended, but today, with what hip hop's done, it don't offend me as much, I mean, you get up in my face and start saying that shit, then yeah, something's gonna happen, but normally, it don't bother me. See, it's little things like that, just the way shit is--you can't censor hip-hop without taking away it's vital components. I mean, like, what made N.W.A. so dope? They just didn't give a fuck, they said all kinds of crazy shit, shit no one ever heard before on the radio, and that was part of the vitality, you know? But you start censoring it, you can't even play the shit, it's like every fucking word is beeped out, you can't understand nothing.
Alright. Your record release. There was drama..
Okay, yo. Nothing happened. Place was crazy, there were mad niggas all going crazy, but nothing happened.
Wack ass Blinky Blink didn't say shit, didn't..
Nothing happened, B. That shit is ridiculous.
Alright then, we're gonna get a little random here, bear with me. We're gonna do some either/or shit. I'll give you two choices, you pick one, alright?
Yeah, okay.
Richard Roundtree or Samuel Jackson?
Heh... Roundtree
Q-Tip now or Q-Tip then?
Then.
Jenna Jameson or Pamela Anderson?
Jenna Jimmi.. who? Jenna..
Jenna Jameson, she's a... fuck it, we'll skip it. Um... Lil' Kim or Foxy Brown?
(*chuckles*) Uhh... heh, neither. (*laughing*)
Benz or Cadillac?
Cadillac. El Dorado.
NICE. Apple or Windows?
Apple.
Okay so, this should be pretty cake, Netscape or Internet Explorer?
Yeah, Netscape.
Mac-N-Cheese or Ramen Noodles?
(*laughing*) Mac-N-Cheese.
What, you ain't a Ramen fan?
Man, I been overexposed, ate too much of that shit. If I ate that I'd get sick.
I feel you on that. What was your favorite flavor?
Chicken and, uh, what was it? Curry Shrimp.
You used to mix em up?
Oh yeah. The Curry Shrimp was crazy!
Gary Payton or Tim Hardaway?
Payton.
Blazers or Lakers?
Lakers.
Aww, that's terrible. Okay, uh... you heard any good pickup lines?
(*laughing*) Nah, not any good ones.
Do you even try to pick up girls anymore, at shows or clubs, or are you like "I'm Canibus. What."
Nah, I got most of that shit out of my system. I mean, I used to go bananas, but after awhile, it's just a job. I get done, get offstage from rapping, I just wanna go home, yunno? Yunno what I like, are the chicks who come up about the music, saying "I love that shit you did with G Rap" or "I love that Horsemen shit" I'm like "Whoaaa!" because girls are normally like "I love that fuck you record you did" I'm like, well, obviously. But the girls into the RA, that's unorthodox, I love that shit, where I can get into a conversation with the girl about hip hop, and just chill..
Alright man, well, I wanna thank you for taking time out of your day. I'm about out of questions and my calling card's probably gonna run out.
No problem man, thanks.
Peace.
One.
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